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An Interview With Illustrator & Author Carin Berger

Hi Carin, could you start by telling us a bit about yourself?

I’m a hunter and gatherer and a maker of things. I grew up in upstate New York. I have lived in a variety of places: New York, London, San Francisco, and for short periods of time in Kyoto, Japan.

I studied graphic design in college, and minored in illustration. I have worked as a designer for ages. My first design job was at Pentagram in London, and I moved from designing things like annual reports, corporate identities, and brochures to book jacket design, which is what I most love because it allows me to combine words and pictures in a very pure, distilled way. That is also what delights me about making picture books. I have designed covers for all sorts of books and for all the major publishers.

Writing and illustrating children’s book is something that I started doing much more recently, once I had my daughter.

When did you first discover your talent? How did you nurture it?

I’ve always been happiest making things. From early on, I was especially drawn to the combination of words and pictures, and telling visual stories.

You work in a traditional cut and paste collage style - has this always been your medium of choice?

A lot of the artwork I made as a kid incorporated collaged elements. But there definitely wasn’t a straight path to collage, or even to illustration. I studied graphic design and worked as a designer for years and years. When I started trying to figure out how to approach the illustrations for Not so True Stories and Unreasonable Rhymes, I originally thought that I would make paintings. But we were away from home, in Northern California, and I had very few art supplies with me. I did have a huge stack of old magazines and a friend gave me a treasure trove of old ephemera that she had found in an old barn. There was no turning back.

Have you ever been tempted to try creating your collages digitally?

In truth, years of doing design on the computer left me with a strong yearning to work by hand and in many ways the way I do my collages was born from that desire. I do, however, use the computer a tiny bit in my illustrations. For example in Behold the Bold Umbrellaphant, I scanned engravings from my collection of old dictionaries and Sears catalogues, manipulated the color in Photoshop, printed them back out, and then incorporated these printed pictures as elements within the collage.

What was the first picture book you had published and how did it come into fruition?

Not so True Stories and Unreasonable Rhymes, 2004, Chronicle Books, was my first picture book. It was a collection of quirky poems that I wrote when my daughter was very young. I wrote it almost accidentally to amuse myself while I waited [endlessly!] for her to fall asleep. I made some illustrations to go with the poems, put together some sample spreads and didn’t really know what to do next. I wasn’t trying to get it published as much as I was trying to learn about the process, but I was very fortunate. A friend of a friend was an agent and offered to represent the book. She sold it to Chronicle Books. It was a very streamlined and atypical process. Extremely lucky.

Was it scary working on your first real book? What was the biggest lesson you learned on the book that you’ve carried with you onto all your other books to date?

Even though I had a very clear vision for the book, I also felt like I was completely winging it. The whole process was absolutely new to me, especially the writing. This was also exhilarating. I learned so much working with the editor, Victoria Rock, who had the gentlest touch and yet found a way to really push me with the writing. I suppose the best and also the hardest lesson that I learned was that making children’s books is a collaborative process.

You write and illustrate a lot of your books - does the writing come more or less easily than the illustrations?

It’s funny. My education is all in the visual arts, and although I’ve often written for myself, I still don’t really feel qualified to call myself a writer. That said, when I make my books, the stories have always come first.

You also work with other authors on their picture books too - how is it working with someone else’s words? Does it make the process easier or harder, more or less enjoyable?

I find that illustrating someone else’s manuscript has different and interesting challenges. It’s important for me to find a sense of ownership of the project. Illustrating a manuscript that I didn’t write is a less organic process than when working with my own words. When illustrating my own writing there is a lot of play back and forth between the pictures and text, and I am free to edit the words when the pictures can do the work in their stead.

What has been your favourite project to date?

I’m not sure that I have a favorite…if so, it’s probably the one I have yet to do.

Please could you describe your illustration process from initial ideas to the finished piece?

I start by making scribble-y little drawings. Those eventually develop into tight, half-size dummies with line drawings in them. The dummies don’t have the feel of the final art, but they accurately show the layout, the characters and the type on each page. I blow these up to full size, and make very tight line drawings on vellum. I then start to cut each piece out. I create each bit separately, almost like little paper toys. For example, with Ok Go! I created each character and glued them into the car, before gluing the car in place on the background. I use the vellums like a map and place each element into its exact position before gluing it down. I often will create several different versions of a piece before selecting the one I like best.

You obviously have a flair for typography too as the words always seem to fit so seamlessly into your illustrations. How early in the process do you consider the typeface, size, placement? Do you view the type as just another collage element?

I love that thought…that the type is just another collage element! That’s a great way to describe it. The typography is an extremely crucial part of the book for me. It can be used to enhance and support the story. I think about it very early on, although of course, it evolves along with the rest of the book.

One of my favourite illustrations of yours is the sun spread from ‘The Little Yellow Leaf’. How long did it take to create this beautiful image?

Oh! A lot longer than I initially thought it would take! I forgot that the sun was asymmetrical, so I had started on the outside edge and was working my way to the center. I was about half way done when I realized it wasn’t going to work. I had to begin again! Not the happiest moment…

A lot of your illustrations are so intricate and look very fiddly to create, what size do you generally work at?

The final illustrations are created at 110% of the size of art in the book.

‘Forever Friends’, which you describe as a companion book to ‘The Little Yellow Leaf’, is about to be released - was it always the plan to have a second book or did it happen organically?

Organically. The bunny and bird make an appearance on the front and back covers of The Little Yellow Leaf. The bunny was there because we have a pet bunny, Pearly, but the bird was there simply because I like birds. Having them sitting there sparked the beginning thoughts for Forever Friends. The story also grew out of our impending trip to Japan, and discussions with my daughter about leaving her friends behind, and how close friendships can endure despite distance. It’s a message that felt very personal and relevant to our lives, but as I was working on the story, I realized how pertinent it was for very young children who face small separations all the time [such as when we leave them with sitters or at school]. We all need to be reassured that separations are temporary and love enduring.

What are you currently working on?

I have a new book that I’m just about to start final illustrations on. It’s about a perfect winter day.

You have a lovely little animated version of your work on the intro to your website and I can image your book ‘Ok, Go!’ working really well as a short animation - is animation an area that you’re interested in?

Absolutely! I would love to collaborate on some animation projects!!! Spread the word!

You seem very tech savvy and use social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter (@carinberger) - what do you enjoy most about this aspect? Has it helped you reach a wider audience - led to any jobs?

I love how social media gives one the sense of connection to a like-minded community.

This was especially wonderful when I was in Japan for four months, but I also find it useful because I work alone most days. I enjoy the flow of ideas and shared information. It’s a rich resource.

You spent quite a bit of time in Kyoto, Japan last year - how was that? Have you noticed any Japanese influences filtering into your work since you got back?

Kyoto was fabulous. I luxuriated in the cultural differences and had a great time taking tons of photos [you can see them on my blog]. I am sure that there are all sorts of subtle influences that will show up, but funnily, it’s in Forever Friends, which was made in anticipation of the trip, that there are some more obvious references to Japanese art.

To see more of Carin’s beautiful work, check out the following links:

Carin’s website

Carin’s blog

Carin’s FaceBook page

Carin’s Twitter feed

Meet Ciaee…

I’m very excited to finally announce and introduce the new zero2illo guest writer - please give a warm welcome to Ciaee.

I’ve been a big fan of Ciaee’s beautiful work ever since we connected through this blog and Twitter. So, when I heard that she was about to go back to art school for the second time, I asked her if she would be open to writing a series of blog posts on zero2illo to share what art school is really like these days, what is being taught (from both the artistic and business side of illustration) and how useful it is to have formal training over being self taught.

Luckily, she agreed and so without further delay - let’s meet Ciaee…

Tell us about yourself…where did you grow up, when did you first discover your talent for art? Does it run in the family?

I grew up in Subang Jaya and it’s pretty nice; a normal residential town in Selangor, Malaysia. When did I first discover my talent for art? Honestly, I do not think I have a talent for art. I started drawing in elementary school when Sailormoon became really popular. Never having seen anything like it before, and I was completely blown away by these magical anime girls, and the art style. I mean, big eyes, colorful flowing hair, pretty costumes and sparkles - to me back then, that was like, wow. My sister and I would draw (copy) Sailormoon art all the time. I recently found a stash of some of them and they were actually quite horrifying. And we thought we were so talented too! I guess some blind faith in yourself helps at times.

Other than my sister, I don’t know of any other artists in my family. My parents were quite apprehensive about our choice of field because artists in my country are generally thought of as people who are less intelligent or as people who couldn’t/didn’t do well in school. My parents are probably still concerned about our future as artists, but they’re being really great about it anyway. They’re incredibly supportive of what we do and we’re very grateful for that.

Where did you first study art?

I first studied art at The One Academy, an art and design school in my country. After graduating from high school, I sold popcorn at the cinemas and was completely at a loss of what to do next. I thought of taking a hotel management course, although I did not know what it was about and I wasn’t even really interested in it.

I finally enrolled in art school because I didn’t like the idea of having to study (text) and taking exam papers. And I did enjoy drawing, so it made some sense to go to art school. Let’s just say I went to art school without knowing what I was getting myself into, but I realized later that this is really what I want to do forever.

You mostly work digitally, has this always been the case or do you also like to work using traditional media too? Which do you prefer?

At art school, we were taught to use pencils, watercolor, acrylic paint, gouache and markers. I was aware of digital art but I did not know anything about the digital painting process. Back then I was a little scared of the whole idea of painting digitally because I did not know where to begin. But after being introduced to Painter and Photoshop (I work mostly in Photoshop these days) and getting used to painting with them, I’m actually feeling a little scared now to go back to traditional.

There’s so much more room for experimentation digitally and there’s no need to worry about messing up a piece because it’s so easy to undo something, to delete layers or to make adjustments. It’s also really cost effective too.

Right now, I’m definitely more comfortable working digitally but I hate the idea of being limited to any tool or medium, so I’m hoping that I’ll be able to get some traditional painting and drawing done when I get back to art school. I’m really nervous about going back to real paint, but I’ll pull through somehow!

What are you hoping to learn in art school that will help you fulfill your artistic ambitions? What made you want to go back to study art/illustration again and why the US?

I discovered many things about myself after working professionally for a while. I did some drawings and paintings for role-playing game books, and I realized two things. One was that I wasn’t good enough. I was really struggling with some of these jobs and I felt that I did not get as much as I could have out of my time at The One Academy.

The One Academy probably wasn’t the best of art schools, but I really wasn’t a very hardworking student at all. I wasted a lot of time just idling about and I rarely ever took my assignments seriously. I’ve actually had a few instructors sit me down and talk to me about my ‘potential’ and ‘lack of effort’. I failed some classes and I took 4 years to complete a 3-year course. I only felt really bad about wasting my parents’ money on graduation day. I think that was the day that I decided to take art more seriously. When I went up the stage to get my certificate, the paper didn’t weigh anything and when my parents told me that they were proud of me, I just wanted to cry. I’ve never felt so ashamed.

The second thing I realized through my work experience was that I don’t enjoy painting something that was almost entirely visualized by another person. I really need to be expressing my own emotions and thoughts to be happy about my work.

I want to go back to art school and take my classes and assignments really seriously this time. The Academy of Art University accepted me into their MFA program and waived me out of 5 required classes, and that’s great because I’ll have more freedom to take classes that I’m interested in! Also, San Francisco is an awesome place. I really like that the people here seem to come from all over the world.

What are you hoping to learn in art school that will help you fulfill your artistic ambitions?

I am very attracted to the idea of telling stories through text and still images, because there is room left for the reader’s own imagination and interpretation. It is important to me that each experience is personal. For the past year, I’ve been working on paintings that are more personal to me than before. However, I find that I still lack the knowledge and tools to tell a story effectively through sequential images. Since my selected area of emphasis is ‘Graphic Novel’, my classes should help me out with my storytelling abilities. I hope to take some Children’s Book Illustration classes too.

Look out for the first post of this new series in March.

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